Curse

FalconDance · May 11, 2009, 02:39 PM // 14:39

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Originally Posted by Fitz Rinley

......unless you bring that one player who runs a X/Y recently dipped in blue honey under a blood red moon in the third quarter of the year of the fire goat when the Hollyhocks were blooming while drinking Ephedra Tea and singing the 4th verse of the Canthan National Anthem.

Dang it, Fitz! Now you went and told everyone about our ONE super secret bad arse weapon! Anet will surely nerf us now! That's it, you're off the R & D team.

Red Sonya, I rarely agree with much you say, but I think you're spot on about love of the game vs. love of money. Unfortunately.

Bryant Again · May 11, 2009, 03:32 PM // 15:32

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Originally Posted by Red Sonya

So, cry me a river cry cry cry no matter what the game will go forward for THE LOVE OF MONEY not for the love of the game or the love of the players.

"Hi I'm Valve."

"And I'm stardock." (to a lesser extent).

Hmmm.

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Originally Posted by Red Sonya

Everytime players come up with new builds the holy trinity pvp players whine and cry and boo hoo that they can't counter it and don't want to and Anet oblidges them and nerfs them into oblivion, Iway, Minion Masters, Spike teams of any kind get nerfed to oblivion because the holy trinity war/monk/fire ele don't want to play against that.

I don't think that's why they were nerfed...

TheDarkshineKnight · May 11, 2009, 04:32 PM // 16:32

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Originally Posted by Red Sonya

Everytime players come up with new builds the holy trinity pvp players whine and cry and boo hoo that they can't counter it and don't want to and Anet oblidges them and nerfs them into oblivion, Iway, Minion Masters, Spike teams of any kind get nerfed to oblivion because the holy trinity war/monk/fire ele don't want to play against that.

I've seen some great fun builds in the Meta like when the Devishers were popular and instead of seeing W/E fricking stupid warriors all the time you saw some new builds with Devishers at the forefront. Then the whinny warriors cried and cried and boo hooed that they weren't at the forefront anymore and Izzy (the ignorant) nerfed dervishers into oblivion.

Everything that beats the holy trinity gets nerfed. You can go back to the very beginning of GW from the very first nerfs to present and you will see that is so. If the skills don't bring in the holy trinity and ONLY the holy trinity rules the tournaments then it gets nerfed. And lord knows Izzy loves rangers because he has them so overpowered with interupts it's not even funny. Not forgetting to mention their emanagement main attribute of expertise reducing the cost of nearly everything to 5e or less.

So it really makes no difference when new builds enter the meta, if the holy trinity can't beat it to a pulp then it will get nerfed.

I refuse to believe you even play PvP. Otherwise, you'd know that the best Eles in GvG are Mind Shock Air Eles. Not even Mind Blast Distortion is that great, since split builds suck in the current meta. You'd also know that everyone HATES Warrior's Endurance since it requires absolutely no skill to play. Furthermore, the current GvG build of choice is hyper-defensive spike. Oh, and the last time Dervishes were decent in GvG was back in the pre-VoD days where Avatar of Melandru Dervs would gank all of the NPCs during VoD. That was, what, a year ago?

Unless, of course, you're talking about HA, but, that would be dumb since skills are typically balanced around GvG and not HA. In the case of HA, fire eles are always going to be good since you need AoE for nuking the shrine. Even, then, though, plenty of builds with Assassins and spike builds are played there successfully.

You're just going to have to deal with the fact that Dervishes are crap for all PvP except HB and that it will likely never change. I mean, there's no real reason to run a Rit or Paragon anywhere but HA, but, you don't see me crying about it even though they're my favorite classes. >_>

Kashrlyyk · May 11, 2009, 04:59 PM // 16:59

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Originally Posted by TheDarkshineKnight

I refuse to believe you even play PvP. Otherwise, you'd know that the best Eles in GvG are Mind Shock Air Eles.
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The "Holy Trinity" is war/mo/ele. Don't dismiss a point because Red Sonya used "fire ele" instead of "ele".

Alleji · May 11, 2009, 05:29 PM // 17:29

There is no "holy trinity" in PvP or in PvE (unless necro/necro/necro is a trinity).

2005 is that way ---->

]HM[ Sabre Wolf · May 11, 2009, 05:31 PM // 17:31

The reason they nerf those builds is the simple fact they are gimmicky and no thought is needed to play them... even when fighting a Blood Spike team, they all run around like a herd of cattle doing the same thing... grazing on the spikes...

when the game gets to a point where the loss of thought is needed to play it... then the skill/build must be OP and needs to be nerfed... GvG needs to get back to skill play... not mindless grazing...

Yichi · May 11, 2009, 05:31 PM // 17:31

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Originally Posted by Kashrlyyk

The "Holy Trinity" is war/mo/ele. Don't dismiss a point because Red Sonya used "fire ele" instead of "ele".

Which is why that every build that has ever won a championship or accomplished anything in the game PvP wise has had at least, AT LEAST one mesmer and one ranger in it...

Some of you people really need to get a clue before you learn to speak. If you don't have said clue as to the subject at hand, than please refrain from spreading information to others arguing your viewpoint, when in reality you do not have anything valuable to discuss pertaining to either side. (I wont name names, but a few of them have spouted off some rather interesting, albeit wrong information thinking they know what they are talking about, wehn in reality, it makes them look even dumber)

Arkantos · May 11, 2009, 05:34 PM // 17:34

Well, like most skill balance threads, this has turned into a dumb PvE vs PvP argument. You all know that the skill balance is delayed, and that is it.